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#1735034 - 2014-10-09 15:43:25 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論
ast 離線
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自上次post 評此命例的財富壽命事業已經一個星期了

這位仁兄是約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒
美國歷史上的第一位億萬富豪與全球首富
以目前記錄來看應該也是人類史上的首富
活了九十八歲
算是富可敵國,而且事業有成,也是著名的慈善家
造就目前的洛克菲勒家族等等
以上資料出處為維基百科
有興趣看他的經歷可以透過下面連結
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/约翰·戴维森·洛克菲勒

我提供的日期與時間是經過西方占星學家的校正後的時間(西方占星為五分鐘一個盤)
所以應該不會有太大的問題
只是想用八字來解釋一下這位大富豪命理
不過發現似乎我所認定的八字大家似乎有些爭議
既然都知道是誰了
就煩請各位大師們說說怎樣的八字可以造就這樣的人物吧!!!

生於美國紐約州哈得遜河畔 Richford NY, USA, 42n21, 76w12
1839年7月8日晚上23:55分 當地時間

在此有鑑於之前的討論大家對這案例的八字有所爭議
因此就以大家認為的八字來討論吧
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#1735078 - 2014-10-09 18:55:29 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
火麒麟 離線
或躍在淵
註冊: 2010-01-17
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Ye!我看對了!哈哈!
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#1735089 - 2014-10-09 20:28:40 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
蔡霹靂1 離線
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來自: 台中北屯
我提供的日期與時間是經過西方占星學家的校正後的時間(西方占星為五分鐘一個盤)
所以應該不會有太大的問題

西方占星 我以前學生的先生也學 學生將先生的學習的案例交給我看
啼笑皆非啊 占星 果然是一門好笑的學問
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#1735149 - 2014-10-10 00:06:58 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
紫色味道 離線
雙喜臨門
註冊: 2010-11-14
文章數: 2600
占星 果然是一門好笑的學問
>>>蔡老師何出此言呢?
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#1735178 - 2014-10-10 09:12:33 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
蔡霹靂1 離線
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文章數: 18198
來自: 台中北屯
占星 果然是一門好笑的學問
>>>蔡老師何出此言呢?

我只懂八字 如果學占星的你將艾生蠔 甘迺迪 羅斯福的八字給我
臭屁說此人多有能力 多有錢
蔡霹靂只看到這些人的八字是三個用神在天干
三個用神在天干 我手上至少有二十個案例 不是帶病延年 就是長期無工作 待業在家

你說好笑不好笑
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剖腹生產:收費10000元擇第一等人、第二等人、五行順生讓你子孫有名有利,光宗耀祖八字論命:收費2000元新台幣附贈未來五年運勢好壞和桃花收費3000元新台幣附贈未來三十年運勢好壞和桃花
蔡霹靂講八字:五行順生的種類!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YhFHWtmmqM&t=74s
蔡霹靂講八字:何謂第一等人、第二等人;如何區分其命格高低!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAZipjdrXI&t=2s

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#1735180 - 2014-10-10 09:15:03 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
蔡霹靂1 離線
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來自: 台中北屯
不過占星有其精密度 不然怎能延續迄今

我只是笑學占星功力不好的人 不是笑占星不准

不是命理不准 是老師功力差
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剖腹生產:收費10000元擇第一等人、第二等人、五行順生讓你子孫有名有利,光宗耀祖八字論命:收費2000元新台幣附贈未來五年運勢好壞和桃花收費3000元新台幣附贈未來三十年運勢好壞和桃花
蔡霹靂講八字:五行順生的種類!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YhFHWtmmqM&t=74s
蔡霹靂講八字:何謂第一等人、第二等人;如何區分其命格高低!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAZipjdrXI&t=2s

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#1735205 - 2014-10-10 11:02:21 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
廿廿 離線
雙喜臨門
註冊: 2010-12-03
文章數: 2181
洛克菲勒的時辰,占星網記載的時間,程度僅到DD。

所謂DD:dirty data

Two or more conflicting quotes that are unqualified. These data are offered as a reference in order to document their lack of reliability and prevent their being presented elsewhere as factual. They are often sincere attempts to find a birth time that have met with ambiguous results. In many cases, the presentation of Dirty Data leads to the discovery of an accurate source and the data are updated to a category of greater accuracy.
Taeger data group: 4

所以此時間,在占星上也有疑問。但是就八字來說,是有可能的。

只是我已經說過了,子初換日排的八字都不對。

壬 癸 辛 己
子 亥 未 亥

食傷不透,財藏庫中。此造財運不通,能有多少財富?
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看不懂的八字

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#1735207 - 2014-10-10 11:07:32 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: 蔡霹靂1]
ast 離線
潛龍勿用
註冊: 2014-03-20
文章數: 6
其實這是我不太懂的地方

外國人也有八字
八字既然是從出生年月日時而來
就應該沒有什麼好爭的
不管是占星還是八字盤
不是都是由出生年月日時而來?
這個八字出生年月日是沒有爭議的,
時的部分,
我只是用國外有名的專業占星網站公開討論過的校正後時間
就我的邏輯來說
用當地和西方的方法得到的校正時間
應該是誤差較小的

八字這麼博大精深的學問
不應該只能討論時區+8出生的人才對
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#1735215 - 2014-10-10 11:56:02 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
destiny37 離線
亢龍有悔
註冊: 2012-05-01
文章數: 609


更多的八字從占星網應該有有疑問.一些連生日也有兩個版本期待大大們去發現.

例子 1 約翰 · 胡佛

Source Notes

"Richard Powers, Secrecy and Power," p.8, taken from Hoover's diary. "Official and Confidential, The Secret Life of J. Edgar Hoover," Anthony Summers, 1993, p.15, same data, "from a dosier he kept on himself."

(Church of Light had given 7:00 AM prior to this "from Hoover in a letter." Same in Sabian Symbols No.475)

Sy Scholfield quotes Millie L. McGhee's biography in which she claims to have the birth certificate for J. Edgar Hoover stating he was born June 1st 1895 (and not January 1st as he claimed himself without providing any documentation other than his own biographical statement)?"

Excerpt from "The Mysterious Origins of J. Edgar Hoover" by Edward Spannaus

(Printed in the American Almanac, August, 2000.)

http://members.tripod.com/~american_almanac/hoover.htm

"Who Was J. Edgar?

"With his interest piqued by McGhee's account, this writer has confirmed that there are substantial discrepancies and oddities concerning J. Edgar Hoover's early biography.

Strikingly, there does not appear to be {any} contemporaneous record of Edgar's birth in Washington. Hoover's own autobiographical account--on which virtually all biographers have relied--states that he was born January 1, 1895, at his parents' home on Seward Square, in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Washington, D.C., with a physician, Dr. Mallan, in attendance.

"However, despite the fact that it was legally required to report a birth to the District of Columbia Health Dept, and that this had been done for the first two children born in the family (Dickerson, Jr. and Lillian), there was no certificate of birth filed for Edgar by Dr. Mallan.

"The entry for John Edgar Hoover in the Washington D.C. index of births was clearly added at a much later date, and the certificate number contains the suffix ``D--signifying a delayed filing.

"This writer obtained a certified copy of Edgar's actual birth certificate--which was not filed until 1938, when Hoover was 43 years old! The verification of birth is provided by an affidavit executed by Edgar's older brother Dickerson N. Hoover, Jr., who states that he was present when Edgar was born, and that he himself was 15 years old at the time. Oddly, Dickerson's affidavit does not mention a doctor being present, in contrast to Edgar's own account.

"(Curiously, Hoover never applied for a birth certificate until after his mother's death in February 1938. It seems obvious that his mother--if she in fact was his mother--would have been by far the best witness, rather than a 15-year-old boy.)

"John Edgar Hoover was baptized at age 13, during the time he was under the tutelage of his brother Dickerson, who took him from one church to another, looking for the most prestigious congregation. The church baptismal record, obtained by this writer, lists his date of birth as June (not January) 1, 1895.

"A question also might be raised as to why Edgar was not baptized until age 13, since the various churches with which his family was associated (Catholic, Lutheran, and Presbyterian), all practice infant baptism.

"About the same time that Hoover's birth certificate was filed, in September 1938, he also obtained a letter from the church, certifying his baptismal record. The letter also gives Edgar's date of birth as June 1, 1895, with ``Jan. written over ``June in an obviously different hand than the signature of the church's then-current pastor
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#1735221 - 2014-10-10 12:15:45 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
destiny37 離線
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例 3 飛人喬丹占星網訪問喬丹,喬丹說12:50am出生.但是出生證書記載 1:40pm .

Source Notes

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jordan,_Michael

Cynthia Withers quotes him to a mutual friend, Brooklyn verified by him. He was asked and several days later he came back with the time, so he may have looked it up or called his mom.

In February 2002, Susan Miller met Jordan and asked his time of birth; he said 12:50 AM.

Cynthia writes that she got the information from shoe salesman Randy Shifrin, who asked his sister-in-law to get the data for Jordan as she worked in the offices of his financial firm. Cynthia was commissioned to do Michael's chart and his middle son chart, and send to Michael.

"I'll try to contact him through the Washington Wizzards. I gave the charts to Randy and he gave them to his sister in law to deliver to him personally. I'll follow through. Cynthia"

Susan responded on 2/17/2002, "I talked to Michael Jordan two days ago, and he seemed sure, but you know about these things, how can we be sure? I said, 12:50 midnight or afternoon? He said, 'a few moments into February 17!' (which is today, oddly enough). I am sending Michael Jordan the piece I wrote about him for Sports Illustrated, so when he gets it, he will probably respond (one hopes). I can ask him one more time.....Sports Illustrated has not yet printed it...they keep changing the issue date. Something should happen soon.I will be in touch."

Susan

On 5 August 2013, a forum user pointed to the birth certificate sold at an auction. A copy is on file, the birth time is 1:40 PM (13:40).
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#1735222 - 2014-10-10 12:20:06 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: 蔡霹靂1]
destiny37 離線
亢龍有悔
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甲乙甲壬
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#1735234 - 2014-10-10 14:36:35 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
蔡霹靂1 離線
一路發發發
註冊: 2008-11-29
文章數: 18198
來自: 台中北屯
我只是用國外有名的專業占星網站公開討論過的校正後時間
就我的邏輯來說
用當地和西方的方法得到的校正時間
應該是誤差較小的

不是占星不准 是使用者功力不夠

八字這麼博大精深的學問
不應該只能討論時區+8出生的人才對

問不對人 當然很困擾
外國人以當地出生時間就可以論 不需要更換中原標準時間
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蔡霹靂講八字:五行順生的種類!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YhFHWtmmqM&t=74s
蔡霹靂講八字:何謂第一等人、第二等人;如何區分其命格高低!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAZipjdrXI&t=2s

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#1735236 - 2014-10-10 14:46:48 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
蔡霹靂1 離線
一路發發發
註冊: 2008-11-29
文章數: 18198
來自: 台中北屯
億萬富翁啊 我在研究版有數個案例
在網路上我有數十個案例

如你想認識億萬富翁 看出他們的共同性
網路上找蔡霹靂的資料就對啦

多看看我個案例 找出其六神共同點
就知道這個案例是億萬富翁無誤

當然歲數百歲 數百歲的外國人 最好在外國的占星網站有確認時辰再來討論比較好

我手上的億萬富翁案例都是台灣人 很多我都親自接觸過 確實有此人 有很多個億萬富翁台灣人不到六十歲 不超過70歲
重點都還活著
當然比百歲 數百歲的外國人精密度更高
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蔡霹靂LINE的ID:0923822168 蔡霹雳的QQID:1409781618
蔡霹雳微信的ID:pilitsai
剖腹生產:收費10000元擇第一等人、第二等人、五行順生讓你子孫有名有利,光宗耀祖八字論命:收費2000元新台幣附贈未來五年運勢好壞和桃花收費3000元新台幣附贈未來三十年運勢好壞和桃花
蔡霹靂講八字:五行順生的種類!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YhFHWtmmqM&t=74s
蔡霹靂講八字:何謂第一等人、第二等人;如何區分其命格高低!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAZipjdrXI&t=2s

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#1735237 - 2014-10-10 14:49:22 Re: 約翰·戴維森·洛克菲勒的命盤討論 [Re: ast]
蔡霹靂1 離線
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文章數: 18198
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甲乙甲壬
申酉辰辰
這個八字我不確認 37大大自行解釋吧


像37大大就是第二等人
億萬富翁跑不掉
你可以問問他的八字就知道啦
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蔡霹靂LINE的ID:0923822168 蔡霹雳的QQID:1409781618
蔡霹雳微信的ID:pilitsai
剖腹生產:收費10000元擇第一等人、第二等人、五行順生讓你子孫有名有利,光宗耀祖八字論命:收費2000元新台幣附贈未來五年運勢好壞和桃花收費3000元新台幣附贈未來三十年運勢好壞和桃花
蔡霹靂講八字:五行順生的種類!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YhFHWtmmqM&t=74s
蔡霹靂講八字:何謂第一等人、第二等人;如何區分其命格高低!八字合婚,剖腹生產請找蔡霹靂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAZipjdrXI&t=2s

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